Curse

keikokoala · Sep 03, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

Disclaimer:
This post is not a complaint and is merely a question (for A-Net) pertaining to the majority of feedback about GW:EN's advertised "40 'new' armor sets."

A-Net, could you please give us more information, or reasoning, why GW:EN's armors were approached this way?

These following general arguments (throughout the forum) could possibly be toned down by providing the GW population some answers:

"Re-skin = not new armor" arguments.

"Hero armors are better than character armors" arguments.

*Note* Items for obtaining hero armor drop regularly in GW:EN, not randomly; therefore, they tend to be easier to acquire and use. Which, in turn, could possibly make a gamer wonder about why his/her hero's armor looks fascinatingly better than his/her "new" GW:EN armor.

"Why do we have to 'grind' to get armor" arguments.

(I do not have complete statistics about the negative feedbacks about the "new" armor. But by carefully reading through the appropriate threads in GuildWarsGuru, one can most likely tell how the majority of forum posters felt about the "new" armors.)

Thank you for reading.

-Loki- · Sep 03, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Because the approached armour in Nightfall the same way, and there wasn't this much backlash. Or did you think Warrior Elite Sunspear armour wasn't 15k Kurzick armour? I know it's talking one or two sets compared to multiple sets per class, but really, I don't think they expected such a huge amount of pissing and moaning over something as trivial as what model the armour uses.

helldrik · Sep 03, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Because the approached armour in Nightfall the same way, and there wasn't this much backlash. Or did you think Warrior Elite Sunspear armour wasn't 15k Kurzick armour?

Elite Sunspear is a clear example of "awesome reskin"...99% of reskin in GW:EN are classified as "poor reskin". Thats all folks.

PS: we still need an answer.

Buzzer · Sep 03, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Because the approached armour in Nightfall the same way, and there wasn't this much backlash. Or did you think Warrior Elite Sunspear armour wasn't 15k Kurzick armour? I know it's talking one or two sets compared to multiple sets per class, but really, I don't think they expected such a huge amount of pissing and moaning over something as trivial as what model the armour uses.

I though most Nightfall armours were original?
Eotn are ALL reskins as far as I can tell.

-Loki- · Sep 03, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Eotn are ALL reskins as far as I can tell.

All Norn armour uses unique models, as well as most (except the dervish dress) common armour.

MrSlayer · Sep 03, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

I haven't been paying much attention to the armor except for Monk. Monk armor is ALL a reskin, and all but the Norn are BLATANT and POORLY DONE reskins of the same armor set.

The Asuran, Ebon Vanguard and Dwarf armor are ALL reskins of 1k Canthan/Shing Jea model. You can tell around the hips and the top.

Im not saying Anet couldn't produce 1 or 2 reskins. But 3 or 4? Although in all honesty, this expansion seems rushed, poorly thought out, VERY short and just 6-10 hours of gameplay leading up to an advertisement to GW2.

Looking at GW:EN, I'm sure HOPING Anet put a BIT more work into GW2, or it's just going to be total garbage.

As for the grinding to buy the armor, it's a novel idea but stupid since it's so slow to get points. For example, there is a Difficulty: Master's quest in Asura Territory. It has a 100 point reward. 100 points for something labelled MASTERS? GG anet.

WinterSnowblind · Sep 03, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

I personally quite like most of the new armour sets, even although they're reskins, they're mostly pretty cool. Once again, I chalk most of these arguments down to the vocal minority. Yes, there's always a lot of people whining about everything, but that doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.

I also have to laugh at people calling this game short.. Just how much have you been playing over the past few days? How many side quests, dungeons and mini games have you been doing, or how about just plain exploring? If you've missed half the game, you have no right to call it short, go back and do it properly. Similary, a game like Morrowind or Oblivion can also be completed in a very short amount of time, less than an hour if you know what you're doing, but that in no way makes them short games.

The quests in GW:EN, the story, the dialogue and even the characters are much higher quality then they have been in any of the other games. In my opinion, they've put a lot more effort into this game than they ever have before. They are clearly busy with GW2, and have taken a few shortcuts by using reskins and what naught, but I fail to see how that decreases the value of the game. If you don't like the new armour, then don't buy it. I remember the same kind of complaints being thrown at Nightfall back when that came out.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but the only thing that really bothers me about the game, is the same lame arguments being used against it. "wah, wah, it's too short, the armour is reskins, blah, blah, blah". Can we just have a single thread dedicated to this garbage so the rest of us don't have to read it in every single topic?

The Herbalizer · Sep 03, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

Yah if Anet are struggling to think of new armour and weapon skins I bet they are struggling for new GW2 weapons and armour skins too. After seeing the poor effort in GWEN I do not have high hopes for GW2 now.

Exoudeous · Sep 03, 2007, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Yah if Anet are struggling to think of new armour and weapon skins I bet they are struggling for new GW2 weapons and armour skins too. After seeing the poor effort in GWEN I do not have high hopes for GW2 now.

I think its far more likely all their assests are going into GW2 and EoTN was made by the b team and some of the factions people.

I mean if the game is supposed to come out in a year or two they probably have most of the people working full steam on it now

Tijger · Sep 03, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by keikokoala

Disclaimer:
This post is not a complaint and is merely a question (for A-Net) pertaining to the majority of feedback about GW:EN's advertised "40 'new' armor sets."

A-Net, could you please give us more information, or reasoning, why GW:EN's armors were approached this way?

They thought it looked good?

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These following general arguments (throughout the forum) could possibly be toned down by providing the GW population some answers:

Right, the whining will cease if we get answers...that is, answers you want to hear otherwise we'll get new topics asking for 'better' answers.

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"Re-skin = not new armor" arguments.

Thats not an argument, reskins always existed, 15K Glads is a reskin of 1K Glads, etc.

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"Hero armors are better than character armors" arguments.

Uh, so was some of the hero armor in NF, Zhed in full Torment armor looks better then any Ele I've ever seen.

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*Note* Items for obtaining hero armor drop regularly in GW:EN, not randomly; therefore, they tend to be easier to acquire and use. Which, in turn, could possibly make a gamer wonder about why his/her hero's armor looks fascinatingly better than his/her "new" GW:EN armor.

Then that gamer can ask around or maybe look on Wiki, weird how people always found out these things before without 'We need ANSWERS'.

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"Why do we have to 'grind' to get armor" arguments.

Dont know the exact reason, might be an anti-Ebay feature, might be the devs simply wanted people to work to be able to get at the armor, in previous Chapters 15K armor was not always easily obtainable (varied per chapter) either.

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(I do not have complete statistics about the negative feedbacks about the "new" armor. But by carefully reading through the appropriate threads in GuildWarsGuru, one can most likely tell how the majority of forum posters felt about the "new" armors.)

Thank you for reading.

Forum posters are not a majority of players, in fact they're a vocal minority which specialized in whining. You may note you see always the same people complaining as well or howling with the pack.

Elisa · Sep 03, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by keikokoala

(I do not have complete statistics about the negative feedbacks about the "new" armor. But by carefully reading through the appropriate threads in GuildWarsGuru, one can most likely tell how the majority of forum posters felt about the "new" armors.)

No, it tells you how a vocal minority feels about the armours. 98% of the community doesn't really care, but the people that don't care or like the armours aren't going to post thread after thread of "Oh my GOD these armours are SO kickass!", no, they'll be playing the game in their favourite armours.

History shows that people that are content almost never raise their voices, whereas people that are not content will both shout the loudest and CANNOT be made content with whatever someone hands them.

acidic · Sep 03, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

I think its far more likely all their assests are going into GW2 and EoTN was made by the b team and some of the factions people.

I mean if the game is supposed to come out in a year or two they probably have most of the people working full steam on it now

and that somehow justifies the steam of crap from GWEN?

Exoudeous · Sep 03, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by acidic

and that somehow justifies the steam of crap from GWEN?

did I say it did?

kalebmordannon · Sep 03, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29

I'm so ready for Gaile to come on here and pwn everyone.

Fr_3_aK · Sep 03, 2007, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Yah if Anet are struggling to think of new armour and weapon skins I bet they are struggling for new GW2 weapons and armour skins too. After seeing the poor effort in GWEN I do not have high hopes for GW2 now.

Nah she'll be right, it'l be a rip off of WOW so we get all the cool stuff from there...

acidic · Sep 03, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

did I say it did?

THEN don't even bring up GW2 as an excuse for the poor ass job done on eotn

lyra_song · Sep 03, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by keikokoala

Disclaimer:
This post is not a complaint and is merely a question (for A-Net) pertaining to the majority of feedback about GW:EN's advertised "40 'new' armor sets."

Theres actually 41 sets. Warriors have 5.

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A-Net, could you please give us more information, or reasoning, why GW:EN's armors were approached this way?

Because they look nice? At least to Anet.

The GW:EN armor fiasco is not about lacking of new armor. Its about people dislike the new armor given to them. Its about personal taste and preferences.

Honestly, i think the armors are nice. The textures and patterns are well done. However the fact that they share too much with the older armor silhouttes is what detracts from it.

Some of them, like the Norn Ranger Female, which uses FoW Boots/Gloves with the Ancient chest/leggings is BRILLIANT.

Its a great reskin, imo, since i LOVE the ancient's trenchcoat but i hated the gloves and boots.

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These following general arguments (throughout the forum) could possibly be toned down by providing the GW population some answers:

"Re-skin = not new armor" arguments.

Not a very good argument. Theres armors in prophecies that are reskins. Theres armors in factions that are reskins. Theres armors in nightfall that are reskin.

If you wanna use that arguement, then we had very few new armors per game.

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"Hero armors are better than character armors" arguments.

Thats not an argument, thats a complaint.

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"Why do we have to 'grind' to get armor" arguments.

Why does FoW cost so much? Not an arguement. Another complaint.

Exoudeous · Sep 03, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by acidic

THEN don't even bring up GW2 as an excuse for the poor ass job done on eotn

1 don't tell me what not to type ok kid, try and grow up a little.

2 If you had a tiny bit of reading comprehension You could understand I was replying to the other posters comment about How GW2 looks grim if EoTN had crappy armor. I merely said EoTN is more slapped together and all their good resources are on 2, thats no an excuse for EoTN, its saying that It doesn't mean GW2 will be crappy.

Try and read before you try and talk crap again, all you accomplished is making yorself look bad.

Saraphim · Sep 03, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Honestly, i think the armors are nice. The textures and patterns are well done. However the fact that they share too much with the older armor silhouttes is what detracts from it.

Some of them, like the Norn Ranger Female, which uses FoW Boots/Gloves with the Ancient chest/leggings is BRILLIANT.

Its a great reskin, imo, since i LOVE the ancient's trenchcoat but i hated the gloves and boots.

Agree, though I am disappointed in the general cut of the armours, particularly female ele (my main toon) - of which the Dwarven version seems to be using a mash-up of FoW gloves, Canthan 1.5k skirt & shoes and Aeromancer top

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But ... That said, the texture maps are quite exceptional, particularly the Asuran styles. I'll just be blowing my cash on my secondary toons this time round, especially my ranger <3 .

Arnack · Sep 03, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Can I have a list of pictures for most of the GWEN armor?